[88SE Lude]

Ok so I decided to do my own bigger brake upgrade after many years of debating.

Yeah, where have you been for the last ten years? :razz: :lol:

Its debatable on whether or not going bigger is going to help with stopping,

Erm... it's not at all debatable, it helps.

the rears are only going to get a bigger rotor and 5th gen rear brake pad as soon as I can get me the caliper adapter to push the stock caliper further out.
I do not want to mess with the parking brake and rather keep it fully funtional ebrake that can go back to stock should I choose too.

If you choose the right rear set-up (caliper) then it's easy to keep the e-brake as-is and to go back to stock if required.

Step 3. - Bend the dust shield backwards to clear the 4th gen vtec caliper bracket.

Or just remove the shield as I've done on every brake mod for the last ten years+ ;-)

Step 4. - Purchase washers and new longer bolts. What I purchased were:

1. 19mm head x 30mm length bolts

I've never used anything other than the stock bolts, they fit and work just fine.
And it removes the need to have those horrible extra spacer washers next to the bolt head.

Maybe it's just the angle of the pic but that appears as though the disc/rotor is set to one side (left) slightly!?

As we know the holes in these discs/rotors is bigger than the stock ones the disc will move about on them as it's no longer secured by the two bolts.
The question is...
How well does it fit over the centre? Is the bore size correct to give a snug fit here?

 

[88SE Lude]

4th gen "big" rotors have a thickness of 23mm, the "Mini" rotors you use have only a thickness of 22mm.

That's not an issue.

For my big brakes, i uses MG ZR 160 front discs, they have a thickness of 25mm, and instead of using washers, i machined by myself spacers (6.8mm thickness), in way to be absolutly sure that all faces stay parralel.

I use spacers as well but mine are 3mm and are centred.

About the bolts, i don't totally agree with 88SElude, original bolts are too short to be used for that mounting, in my point of view

Well your point of view doesn't agree with my use of them on many cars and 100+k's of miles without a single issue.
I'll let my real world experience counter your opinion ;-)

Spacers (exactly 6.8mm of thickness and parallel faces)

MG ZR rotor centered Inside the big brake support

No idea why you'd need 6.8mm spacers if using the same calipers as we've documented.
Are you using different calipers and/or brackets than the usual 4g Lude/ NSX/Legends?
Those brackets look to be giving very little clearance on the 25mm disc/rotor.

For example, i also use Rover 623 front brakes,

I guess that might explain your clearance issues.

Not going to be an issue for our American friends in that case.

For the rear, i also uses MG rotors and MG ZR calipers, if you want some pics, don't hesitate to ask them:smilejap:

Well that's because you followed my lead when sourcing the rears.
Again, not at all easy to get in the US.

 

[88SE Lude]

What i want to say about the lengh of the bolt it's not that it's going to cause any sort of issue by using the original bolt.
Friends of mine that are track racing since more than 10 years ago have also uses the original bolt without any problem.

Exactly.

But i prefer to install a longer bolt, because brakes are not a "fancy thing" and i just want to be sure having no problem with them...

But there are no problems with them at all.
You are introducing a potential problem by using a longer bolt and adding spacers.

And the support of the caliper allow us to use longer bolts, why don't uses the unused thead in way to secure the mounting?

A longer bolt gives no more security.
There are no unused threads on mine, so not an item.

It's my opinion and i prefer recommend safety, it's not by using a little bit longer bolt that can cause any issue :smilejap:

As said above, it is no safer.

About the thickness of the spacer, all i can say is that Rver 623 calipers are 100% the same than the 4th gen Nissin caliper.
I uses before the Nissin calipers on another mount, the spacers has the same thickness...

The calipers may well be identical in every way, that's not what causes the clearance problem.
The caliper bracket is what determines the disc/rotor to bracket clearance.

Do you also uses MG ZR rotors?

Not exactly, I've used MGZS180 rotors for circa ten years. Same as the ZR 282mm rotors.

I don't believe that the difference of thickness is caused by using Lucas calipers, i 'm sure at 100% that they are absolutly the same than the Nissin 17CL15VN, cause i also owned these too at the same time and compared them .

Yes, I said that above, it's not the calipers.

I can also tell that i machined 6.8mm spacers for friends of mine that installed on theirs 3rd gen lude Nissin calipers and MG ZR rotors: it works perfectly and rotors are perfectly centered...

Well as the first one to use these parts I've never used more than 3mm spacing to get perfectly centred while using Honda brackets.

I don't understand what are you meaning by talking about "real world experience"???
Could you explain me this sentence please?

I mean that as I've used these on many many cars for many many miles without any problems ... that means far more than your 'opinion' as to their safety.

Maybe you're talking about my opinion about using the original bolt instead of using longer bolt?
It's only an opinion, just to be secured ...

That is exactly what I was talking about :emthup:

But, once again, i don't understand what you want to say when you write that i "follow your lead" about rear upgrade.
This upgrade is known nearly since 10 years or more here in France, the "Honda prelude club de France" has a lot of "track racers" and some of them tried since a lot of year to upgrade theirs 3rd gen lude in all the way possible!:smilejap:

:lol:
Trust me, I passed this information on to many French and Dutch track drivers when I pioneered it. I ran a club that travelled across Europe and was affiliated with many Euro clubs.





Well Sean!
For trying to get this neat and tidy it sure did get messy pretty quick ;-)

 

[88SE Lude]

i don't agree with you : just explain me how i can introduce any problem by using spacers and at the same time, YOU don't introduce any problem with your spacer?
Because of a difference of 3mm between yours and mine?

The difference is nearer 4mm than 3mm.
What I said was that you introduce a potential for more problems by using more spacing when it's not required.

BE SERIOUS, please!:lol: You also uses spacers, you also introduce a potential issue...:lol:
It's evident that the thicker the spacer is, the bigger the potential issue is... but my "real world experience" tell me that my mounting is as safe as yours...

So make your mind up and stop being an asshat.

I'll take pictures of my friend car tomorrow, maybe i'll find the answer by myself about these 3.8mm of difference!

Well how can I explain it for you? I've not got that extra spacing and have never needed it so how can I tell you why you need it?
Geez.

Believe in my "real world experience", i'm not so stupid as you are actually thinking!

You're the only one saying anything about you being stupid. If the cap fits....

Another question:
Are you joking me when you says that you don't uses exactly the same rotors than me?
ZR 282mm rotors and ZS 282mm rotors are absolutely the same... explain me where is the difference between them

Here you go again..
Are you trying to look stupid?
I stated that they were the same
Are you having translation problems?

About using MG ZR rear brackets and rotors, i'm sorry to read what you are pretending... ... what's going to be the next step?

It's easy to pretend, more difficult to prove...

Why are you being such a dick? :dontgetit:
My proof is documented in many places. I really don't give a toss what you(or any other internet persona) believes or doesn't believe. :lol:

For example, i got a PK2 head with H23 valves, i have the idea alone, no one tells me that it were possible ... ... but i will NEVER pretend that i'm the first guy on the Earth having this idea, the only thing i can say it's that i find this idea by myself!!! And i also can NOT prove it!!

I really don't care that you may have pioneered a pointless modification.

The same thing for MY homade IMS, you and i were having the same idea... but don't come and tell me that you were leading me in that way ...

Really? So how come you ask me for help with it as my idea was further advanced.
Not that I care, I'm not into internet pissing matches.
You claim all the 'glory' you like. :lol:

And what about PK2YEC pistons??? Are you pretending you noticed BEFORE me that they got a dome that's a little bit bigger than the PK2EC pistons?
When i tell you that, the first thing you've asked me where pics.... and i gave them to you... ... no answer at all :!:
Maybe i have find something you never noticed before and that was under you noose for so many years :lol::lol::lol:

WTF are you talking about?
I asked you for pics to help explain what you were talking about in your Frenglish, pics make it easier to translate.
You sent me pics of pistons that are in my engine. So you confirm you have the same type of piston in your A7 as I have in mine, no idea where the ground-breaking discovery is here.
You seem hung up on the notion that the A7 has different pistons to other B20Ax engines which is something I've told people on here since we first talked about the engine differences, what exactly did you think made up the extra compression?

The thing i wanna says is that i truely believe that it will be a good idea to use 25mm thick rotors instead of using 22mm thick rotors, because OEM 4th gen lude are 23mm thick ...

So what?
Using 25mm rotors is a little better but for different reasons than you think.
The fact that 4G VTEC Lude rotors are 23mm is totally irrelevant.
22mm rotors actually give more clearance and is actually the easier option for many because it gives more tolerance on the clearance and of course are easily available here.

... why are you talking about any clearance issue if you are using the same rotors than me?
Where did you measure the clearance exactly?

Well obviously you measure the clearance on the closest components, not much calling it 'clearance' if you measure it anywhere else.



:baa:

 

[88SE Lude]

:lol::lol::lol:

You are a very funny guy, thanks a lot for making me laugh so loud!:lol::lol::lol:

Well they say the stupid laugh to cover up their inability to understand.

Well, i'm loosing my time trying to explain you anything, i'm pretty sure it's not a question of translation, my "frenglish" is not in cause... but your ego!:evil smile:

Everyone who knows anything knows that that is simply not the case. But you carry on believing your own bs.
Your arrogance is the issue here, you simply don't like having your work questioned and like to cause a fuss over nothing.

It's quite obvious through all of your PMs that you simply dislike anyone who questions anything you say or claims anything isn't your doing. Otherwise why would you send what are actually quite nasty PMs to people about others on here?

About pistons, blah blah blah.....

You merely asked me about these things as if you'd discovered something new. All you did was mention things that were already common knowledge but explained it very poorly. After I translated what you were trying to say (with the help of the pics I asked you for) we ended the topic as it was old news. You seem to have an issue with understanding that.

Maybe it's too hard to you to comprehend some simple thing like that, please, search in your neighborhood somebody intelligent who will try to explain that to you :lol::lol::lol:

ho ho ho .. how we laughed.

Talking about proofs, where are they please? Make me laugh once again!:lol:
It's very strange that you claim beeing so known and that i've never heard about you...

Like I say, my proof is in the real world, not just the internet.
You've never heard of me even though you copy my ideas.
Maybe it's because my ego doesn't make me post up everywhere about how great I am.
It's about the work and results, not the adoration some seem to desire so much.

" Not exactly, I've used MGZS180 rotors for circa ten years. Same as the ZR 282mm rotors."

What do you mean by saying "not exactly", are they the same or not...
... who's looking stupid now???
I truely believe it's you...:jehon:

Well that just shows your lack of knowledge, particularly in the history of such things.
Do some research.
"Not exactly" is quite simple, I don't use discs for the ZR as they weren't available when I first did this mod. So I used what was available at that time, the discs from a ZS180.
The ZR then followed by using the same braking system that was used on the ZS. Hence not ZR discs but the same specs, as I stated.
Maybe it was too tricky for you to comprehend.
Yes, maybe I look stupid. But oddly I don't really care one iota. Because if you're the smart cookie here I'd rather not be in the same category.

About claiming "glory", who was claiming glory first, me by telling that i've got the same idea at the same time than you (talking about IMS) or you by telling that i follow your lead???(talking about rear brake upgrade)

I'm not claiming anything, merely stating a fact.

Who is pretending giving the "holy words" through the world , going from tracks to tracks throught France, Dutchland, Great Britain and others country maybe????

Wow you really can switch it around.
Your problem is quite obvious to everyone. I've not claimed anything, merely stated the facts of what has occurred. You seem to be upset by that.
WTF has religion got to do with anything? Do you have issues?
BTW do you mean Deutchsland (which is Germany)? Or the land of the Dutch (which is part of the Netherlands)? Either way I've been to both.

Do you really believe you are God???:lol::lol::lol:

Yes.
And who are you to question that?
To those with any religious beliefs I will point out that that was entirely sarcastic.

Well, i'm really sorry, i was thinking you were an interesting person, i was wrong.
The only thing you prove to me is that you've got a oversized ego, me and my pointless modifications we tell you "goodbye" :baa:

Well if it means you stop sending me PMs etc.. then that's all good with me.


WTF!?
oh me god he's still here whittering on......

You are telling stupid thing : i DON'T use MORE spacing than needed, are you blind, don't you see the picture i've posted before with my MG ZR/ZS rotors ( which are the same but not as you said)...
My rotors are perfectly centered in the brackets, how can they be perfectly centered and at the same time the spacers too thick???

Which his why I questioned it and why you got so pissy in your pants about it.
You are the only one I've ever known to use 6.8mm of spacing so something you are doing is either different or wrong.
I asked you to clarify but you decided to be an asshat instead.
That is really simple to understand but you choose not to.
How dare anyone question you

And what about when you says:

Just show me where i wrote something about the reasons of using 25mm thick rotors instead of 22 mm thick???
I said that i prefer thicker rotors, bu don't explained why and you are able to tell me that i uses them for a bad reason???
You are extremely surprising, could you read in my mind???
Are you really God???

You tell me the reasons why you think that and I'll then show you why that isn't the best reason for that choice.

Try to answer to these simple questions and show me that you are more intelligent than your precedent answers... or follow yourself and continue to makes circles...:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Well I've often answered your questions but then you go off claiming you knew it all along.
If you asked better questions it might help.
But at least you think you're funny. I'm sure that helps you.


Sean: all I can say is that I offer my apologies for our incessant friend here and my part in making this thread a little untidy.
When you get people offering different issues/resolutions that they have kept secret for the last ten years it's hard not to question their methods/reasoning.
Maybe make a new thread but lock it after the first post ;-)

 

[88SE Lude]

Instead of affirming false things , proove them or please , shut up :lol:

Yeah whatever.
Anyone remotely more important than a nobody already knows and needs no further evidence of anything.
You're showing signs of Napoleon syndrome.

You are dreaming awaken, show us all those pm that you pretending i send to you!

Which ones? The ones where you ask me to purposely hinder your countryman in his quest for some knowledge on here? And slag him off and call him names?
Or the gibberish about the pistons etc..?
Or are you now claiming you didn't do such things?

You are a pretty good liar so, you can try to explain your point of view as the only truth all long as you want, but i still think that your "real life" is not so real as you are believing :lol::lol::lol:

See that's where yo hit another issue, again anyone vaguely attentive would state that I simply don't lie, I never need to as I have nothing to cover up and to pretend about.

Well, good bye Mr Liar, it's all that you was able to proove here...:baa:

Yeah, shame you came back really as doing so just proves that you are not a man of his word.

If you wish to continue your childish nonsense please do so my PM rather than spoiling threads with it.


Again, sorry to anyone reading this crap, maybe if a mod ever calls in the irrelevant stuff can be removed.

 

[88SE Lude]

Geez are you still here whittering on with your nonsense.......

Well, i'll stop here with you, you are too much ridiculous , everything you see is twisted by your oversized EGO, it's well known here and i've been warned about that :baa:

Yes of course you were warned, that's why you were so nice in your PMs when asking questions all the time.
Maybe you should start a thread about those pistons you're so hyped over. Then we can show how ridiculous you are by posting the pics and your very poor understanding of it all.

One last thing:

Another one? How many times are you going to say goodbye before you finally do the decent thing and fuck off?

1funryd shows a pics of his rotor Inside the braket and you answered that it looks not centered...

No I didn't. I asked if it was the angle of the pic, to which San confirmed it was.
Another case of you bullshitting and/or not understanding what is being said. You make very poor arguments so why bother?

You also said the same thing about my mounting... isn't it strange that everything you see look not centered to you??? And only for you???

I said nothing of the sort about your mounting. Again a total lack of understanding (or stupidity) on your part.
You're just making yourself look bitter and stupid now by making things up that were never said.

Next time i'll show to everybody pictures of a 4th gen lude 17CL15VN Nissin caliper and braket, mounted on a 3rd gen lude with MG ZR rotor(not ZS, as they are the same-but-not as you argue so funily before) AND with 6.8mm spacers...

We thought you already had. Are you having memory/reality issues now as well?
You need to do something about that before it gets much worse.

We'll see what sort of explanation are you going to find then...

How can I explain something you've done? Are you really that stupid that you can't explain your own actions?

 

[88SE Lude]

And Jon I am not sure if I saw your setup with pics, if you would kindly post them as well to make this thread more insightful, myself and the rest of the members would appreciate it as well.

Mine are all in other threads either relating to this topic or the "What I did to my Lude .." thread.
Not sure what I have online these days other than those. Bare in mind I did it many many years ago and don't take pics very often when I'm working. When I get chance I may see what I can find.

Although there is very little point seeing the rear MG set-up as it would cost you far too much to get that stuff over here.
Think more in the ITR area.
This is the stuff I've been helping people source for many years, over here there are other possible options but no-one willing to try them (and I'm not spending more money right now just to show them) ;-)

 

[88SE Lude]

Just for you Sean ;-)

Before:


After:


There is very little to learn about the clearance etc as there are simply no issues to be concerned about, they simply fit in place of the stock stuff.
The only thing that some may notice is the different angle of the e-brake cable but over ten years it's never caused any problems and there's no reason why it should.
Of course there is one very important thing to note when fitting these but I won't be delaying anyone doing this swap by waiting until someone else has the chance to point it out.

For those that don't know (or are curious), the Rover range (that we are talking about) is based on the same platform as the Civic.

 

[88SE Lude]

So just so I am clear for myself, you are using the Range Rover caliper?

Nope, nothing to do with Range Rovers at all.
Rover MG (specifically the ZS180).

 

[88SE Lude]

So you modified the arm for the ebrake cable bracket to make that work on your rear caliper?

No he didn't. It works perfectly fine as it is.
Unless the last ten years of use have been imaginary of course.
It works just fine and unless you can cut/weld or have someone do it for you then it's the easy/only solution.

He modified them to remove a 'potential' problem. Weird how hypocrisy works hey :lol:

Not that it matters unless you can get some MG rear calipers though.
And they have to be specifically from the MGZ180 or MGZR160, other MG models have smaller brakes.
They'll be getting rarer all the time though as Rover went out of business in 2005 (and Honda took back the rights).

Usually, i WIDELY RESPECT ANYBODY , and only if a person becomes insulting or patronizing , he looses my respect ... mainly when a person pretend falses things about what i wrote to him in PM

:lol:
You mean when they question what you're saying.
Would you like me to post up your PMs to me and see if anyone else can understand your questions?

Well, i'm happy to "talk" with you because you seems to understand very well

I remember this guy........ wonder what happened to him.

But you are not comtemptuous with me, and i will not be with you but i will be with this guy pretending falses things about what i asked him by PM...

As said above, I can show everyone the PMs you sent me. And my replies. I have nothigng to hide as I'm not the one making things up to look good on an internet forum :lol:

It's easy for him to claim without proof, you all will believe him easily because he's not usually a liar.

See above.

But instead of telling that he don't understand what i'm talking about, he prefer denies that someone can know something better than him about 3rd gen lude

I asked you to explain and even asked you for pics to help understand what you were asking.
You were the one asking questions not me, so how is that you knowing more? Have you any idea how ridiculous you're making yourself look?

... and after all, i don't care at all

Well bringing it up in public so many times in such an aggressive manner certainly tells everyone that you care a lot.
And considering how long it's been since those PMs it appears it bothers you greatly.

You write that he wasn't insulted me, but in that case, how do you call words he uses:

"be an asshat" or "such a dick"

Because I was not calling you those names, I was suggesting you stop being like it. As I recall you were always polite previously (maybe that was the acting as you wanted something).
Although now I see the description fits well and maybe you weren't acting at all.

But i'm really sure in real he's a nice guy , a little bit arrogant but instead of saying that he don't understand what i'm talking about ( i'm french, my English is awfull, i know it), he prefers pretend falses things , but why???

You do realise you're just repeating yourself? And making no sense (in English or French)



Still we wait for that important info I mentioned Sean ;-)

 

[88SE Lude]

The picture of the arm that i've posted before shows how i've modified it to avoid a potential issue , if you looks carefully, you'll see where it was cutted and welded by myself :lol:
But once again you know better than me what i have done, it's so funny :lol::lol::lol:

You are the master of contradiction I'll give you that.
do you really understand anything that's being said here or are you truly incapable of reading/comprehending simple sentences?

There is not one person here that cannot see (apart from you) that I stated that you'd cut/welded the bracket.
My previous comment for the hard of thinking:

It works just fine and unless you can cut/weld or have someone do it for you then it's the easy/only solution.

He modified them to remove a 'potential' problem.

It is quite obvious to everyone that you are just trying to create issues and making stupid comments to try and satisfy your own ridiculous ego.

Well, show us these PMs, please!!!

I already showed a snippet of your two-faced persona.
As I already stated this brake thread is not the place for discussions about the (apparent only to you) difference in some pistons.

How can you say at the same time that you don't understand them and that also you were able to answer to them

I never once claimed to have answered your questions to your satisfaction (tbh I have no idea what that even is as you're ramblings make no sense).
But I gleaned enough understanding to know that you were talking drivel.

Show us how "great" you are!!!

Why would I do that? You seem to place a lot of importance on how great I am.
You seem to be the only one doing that. I'm a little worried that your adoration of me is going a little too far. Good job we're on different continents and we have guns here just in case you do get too close.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You post a lot of those emoticons. Seems you think something is very funny (and I'm guessing you're not laughing at yourself the way others are). I'm guessing the jokes got lost in translation.

Are you pretending understanding French?

WTF!? Why do you keep making such stupid comments? You really are obsessed and maybe a tad retarded.
I've never claimed to understand French, where did you get that stupid idea?
I do understand enough to get by. But if that means I hear more from you I'm willing to forget it all.

Oh ,dans ce cas fait donc preuve de la grandeur de ton immense intelligence plutôt que de te montrer si pédant et arrogant...

No-one needs evidence of my greatness or intelligence, you're on your own there.
My pedantic manner is well documented and I'm proud of that.
Although as an Englishman I leave the mis-placed arrogance to you ( French stereotype that this one gives much creedence to)

I'm still sure you still don't understand what about i were talking about these pistons, pleaseshow me i'm wrong... ... with proof please, and stop be so funny:lol: , be serious if you can...

I understand that you talked about tow different B20A7 pistons and 'claim' they are different. You then send me two pics from very very different angles and 'claim' they are different. You then 'claim' they give 0.2 raise in CR. Which you 'claim' can be seen on the piston crown.
I understood (because I'm good at translating gibberish) what you were 'claiming'. And due to what you stated yourself: "Well, i'm happy to "talk" with you because you seems to understand very well". But didn't feel it was worth my time to get in to a lengthy discussion about mere 'claims' with no evidence.

So instead of trying to get others to prove things that they weren't claiming at all, why don't you give proof of what you are claiming?


Oh, there's that hypocrisy again.

 

[88SE Lude]

How many time have i to apologies about the fact that i'm not English nor american and that i try to write to you with a language that is not mine???
...blah blah .. blah....

I used to make allowances for the language barrier but not any longer. Now you simply use that as an excuse for your irrational and unacceptable behaviour.
It is not the language that is the problem here, it is your attitude and persona.
The same persona you have used many times when attacking other people.

I own Prelude since 14 years now, i think i begin to know them a little bit, if i say that there's two type of "EC" pistons mounted Inside the B20A7, that there's two type of head (pk2 and PK2Y) mounted on the b20A7, that the pistons are a little bit different, i think that you can believe in what i'm saying... mainly if i show you pics....

Yuo still seem to be having issues here.
I've not once said that they don't exist, or that I didn't believe youi. I simply said that without better pics or other evidence their is no difference to see between them.
And even if there was a difference to give the 0.2 CR raise you 'claim', it is not enough to get worked up about. Nor is it enough to make it anything other than a curious difference.

I understant that my pics are not really accurate and i wrote it that i know it , but you can read on them "PK2EC" and "PK2YEC" on the top of the pistons, isn't it a proof of their difference?

No. It is proof of two different part numbers, nothing more. Honda often use different part numbers for identical parts.
Remember you initially said that one was PK2A.

I tell you that i compared them side by side, i only forgot to take pics, but the dome is a little bit higher on the "pk2yec", i saw it!
Well, you don't want to believe me, ok, but if i'm right, you have some B20A7, no? Maybe one day you'll see it by yourself, and this day, remember who tell you that it was true...

Well with the evidence you've given so far there is no difference worth noting, certainly not enough to cause all this fuss over.

The two pics I had for comparison for anyone curious:
http://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/11/27/92/20/aze310.jpg
http://i14.servimg.com/u/f14/11/27/92/20/stp82411.jpg

The two different numbers on them was never in question.

Well, that's it, me and my stupidity tells you goodbye once again Jon,

Like the boy that cried wolf.....

i'm so sad to see that i was wrong about you thinking you were a good guy and to discover how much you are arrogant and pedant.

You carry on believing that, it makes no difference to me. :lol:

You don't make me laugh now, i have pity for you, maybe one day you will change another time.

Yeah, never going to happen.
Your biggest mistake was thinking that I would change, never have, never will, ask anyone on here for confirmation.
So I'm still the person you asked for help, still the person you said was so good and helpful, still the same person you claimed to like so much.
You're the only thing that has changed here. Or rather your true persona has been revealed.



Anyway, enough nonsense... let's get back to brakes.

 

[88SE Lude]

It was my understanding that the rotor should be as centred as possible inside the caliper. Is that correct?

Yes that is correct, with the proviso that it is the carrier you need to be centred in, not necessarily the caliper.
The more off-centre it is the more likely the potential for problems.
Discs/rotors have run-out. The rotors and calipers flex.
Any of this movement could cause rubbing etc if you're already close to the carrier.

 

[88SE Lude]

Is this with the MINI rotors?
I suspect so as they have different offsets to the rotors the carriers were designed to be used with.
Do you know the thickness of the rotors?
The 23T determines safe rotor thickness.

Just make sure everything clears properly to avoid any nastiness.

 

[88SE Lude]

Yes, the same mini cooper rotors, 22mm thickness. As you can see from my pics before the 5mm spacing is not enough on my car. It doesn't touch while just spinning the wheel but I wouldn't trust it with that tiny amount of space on one side. Using the ~6.5mm spacing it gives around 2.4mm on either side of the rotor.

I haven't seen the pics, I'll take a look back.
But having them as central as possible is a big :emthup: from me.

 

[88SE Lude]

In all my time I've never even considered the wheel being on making any difference.
If it doesn't fit correctly without then I wouldn't rely on it in any way. Not worth the risk.

Of course the extremely easy way to check this is by spinning on a couple of lug nuts ( Sean mentioned this I think) to pinch the rotor on to the hub. I actually always do this when fitting new stuff there anyway (assuming there are none of the stock rotor bolts in place).