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I am in the UK and hardly see any. I have two, one in the garage and one in a barn. I paid little for them and thought they could become rare and seems they are now in the UK. I haven't seen anyone in one for some years.
I used to go to France quite a lot. Saw one in a public parking lot (indoor) in Lille. Nice condition(ish). Owner wanted to sell but too hard for me to get it out and back etc. Also as I have 2 already it would be a bit greedy. I am assuming there are quite a few in USA and Australia. Its the only model I really like. What about other parts of the globe?
 

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In my opinion I think they are rare, they have been out of production for over thirty years and were never really sought after as collectors items/classics until very recently.

Data according to HonestJohn Classics indicates that 92 still exist in the UK, There's no information on the 1983 model year.

1984: 4 licensed, 9 SORN
1985: 4 licensed 18 SORN
1986: 8 licensed 23 SORN
1987: 3 licensed 23 SORN

1987 might be inaccurate since the third generation was introduced in April of 1987, both 2nd and 3rd generations were sold under the 1987 model year.

336,599 2nd generation Preludes were sold in the United States. My personal estimate is that there are around 2,000-3,000 left registered nationwide with the majority residing in California, Florida, Oregon, and Washington state. Some auto parts stores and dealerships have access to the number of cars still registered in every state by year, but the data isn't released to the public. It's impossible to guess how many are sitting unregistered, but I would assume another 2,500 are still in existence rotting in peoples backyards or junkyards.

In the context of Japanese market Preludes, I'm not too sure about production numbers. I do know that the majority of JDM models were either scrapped or exported to Australia, New Zealand, and Russia(mostly Siberia) by around 1998/1999. Your best bet of importing a RHD prelude would be from those three countries. I would assume that there are less than 300 left in Japan, and that's still a very optimistic number. Most of the examples still in Japan seem to be the prefacelift "AB" variant. Judging by various social media and carspotting pictures online, there is still a sizeable population in Australia, Ukraine, Poland, Lebanon, Japan, Russia, United States, Germany, and France. There are others scattered around various countries in Europe, South America, Southeast Asia, etc. but not a very significant number. For anyone looking to import a 2nd gen from Japan, there are still survivors (seen below), but I can count on one hand of the times I've seen one listed for sale there within the past 5 years or so.
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To clarify after some more research, I believe that the number of 2nd generation Preludes currently registered in Japan is over 300 but less than 500. There are other documented surviving examples that are abandoned/unregistered in rural towns, but it's impossible to gauge how many exist altogether. The Japanese government has a database of car registrations by make/model/year. Like the United States, it's only accessible if you possess the right credentials. I've seen the database referenced on the survival rates of the Mazda NA Roadster(~23,000 left registered) and the 5-door Honda Integra DA1 (~90 left registered). There is a garage in Japan by the name of Kleincraft that specializes in restoring and selling AB/BA1 Preludes and other older Hondas. The owner may know the true number of survivors, but he refuses to answer technical questions (according to his website.) I do know that 2nd generation Preludes are virtually nonexistent on Japanese auction websites and the ones still in use seem to be in long-term ownership with older drivers judging from the photos I've seen. The fastest way of buying an imported JDM RHD 2nd generation Prelude is buying one that was already exported to Australia, Russia, or New Zealand.

3 BA1 Preludes awaiting restoration from Kleinkraft (owner claimed possession of 7 BA1s at the time of this photo according to his blog)
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Previous sales page of Kleinkraft, note the survival rate of 3rd generation cars compared to the 2nd generation (5 AB chassis 1 BA1 chassis 14 BA4 chassis)
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There are 4 MK2 Preludes currently for sale in the UK on eBay if you're still looking for one. I was considering starting a thread to document cars for sale worldwide if there was enough interest on this dead forum.
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There have been a few others for sale in the UK for the past couple of years; very few are GSIs as there are only 16 UKDM GSIs left in existence according the DVLA. The silver GSI D784TYS sold for £671 in 2018 and was presumably scrapped. The blue GSI D270TRG was sold after being in long term storage and now has a current MOT. The white GSI C991YVC was sold and exported to Hong Kong sometime between 2018 and 2019.
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Всех приветствую, буду писать на русском языке извините, берите в гугл переводчик :)))
Владею Ba1 с 2019 года. Автомобиль невероятно редкая в моей стране (Украина)
Знаком с моделью с 2008 года. и за все время поисков запчастей и мониторингом, удалось найти только одну машину ba1 за всё время. Касаемо соседней страны (Российская федерация)
Знаю лишь пару людей у которых имеется кузов ba1.
 

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Hi, and welcome to the forum. Thank you for the information and your personal experience with BA1 Preludes. I think during the period when most AB/BA1 Preludes were exported from Japan (1990s), there was a larger consumer demand and better profit margin for imported sedans and SUVs rather than coupes in the Far East(judging from photos I've seen in Vladivostok import car markets from that era). As a result, not many JDM BA1s found their way into Russia & Ukraine and were exported to other countries in Asia/Australia instead. You're correct about their rarity, I think there are more surviving LHD European-market BA2s in Ukraine and Russia rather than RHD JDM BA1s. I haven't seen many recent images of them in that region lately outside of the ones in your post and on the website drive2.ru. As of 2021, I think this region has the most 2nd generation Preludes still in daily use in Europe. I think the only other area in Europe that might come close is France.



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Only 64 2nd generation Preludes are left in Sweden, down from 81 in December 2015. 15 were scrapped and 2 were exported since then. Of those 64, 48 are dual-carb models, 15 are DOHC B20A1 models, and 1 is a SOHC A20A3 model imported from Dubai (NBJ023).
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DBJ436 and LOO461 were the only two I have seen for sale in 2021.
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LFK033, MLG140, MJO853, and MRG706 have all been scrapped. (after further research, MRG706 isn't scrapped and still exists, but it's just not in traffic currently)
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MFL106 and NBJ023 still exist, but they are not in traffic.
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The only car I couldn't find any history on was this silver GSI. It was on the road as recently as August 2015, but I can't find exact info due to the blurred reg. All of the above information is according to car.info and garaget.org.
 

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I'll use this thread as personal reference since the OP abandoned it. Below is the number of BA2 Preludes still registered in Germany according to the Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt (KBA). I don't have data on AB chassis Preludes unfortunately. There are only 28 BA2s left on the road in 2021. Close to 90% of BA2s that were on the road in 2005 are now scrapped/exported. I wouldn't be surprised if there were less than 100 2nd-generation Preludes registered in the entire country based on the survival rate for BA2s (which is odd considering the amount of recent pictures of German-registered Preludes online.)

2005: 244
2006: 182
2008: 79
2009: 61
2011: 46
2021: 28

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I believe Finland and the Netherlands(along with some other countries) also have "survivor" data based on chassis, but I don't have any sources or leads on how to access those yet. The point I am trying to get across is that these cars are quickly heading to the point of being critically endangered. If you don't own one and still have a desire to, now is the time to find one before there are none left for sale.

Sources for the above information:
www.hondayoungtimer.de
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This is the first 2nd-generation Prelude I have seen listed for sale in Japan in a while(unless you count the reverse imported Si from the US that keeps being relisted.) It's a prefacelift XJ trim model, there are no documents, and it's being parted out simultaneously. The opening bid is 50,000 yen for the entire car.
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There's another Prelude being parted out; a prefacelift XX trim in much better condition. Judging from the mounting points on the trunk, the car previously had a Mugen wing.
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Of course, there are other Japanese-market cars that still "exist" in theory on auction websites, but it's not really worth mentioning as the chassis for these parts have already been recycled.
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This is the first UKDM GSI that I have seen for sale in 2021. The photos are a few years old as I remember seeing this car at this location on Flickr or another website that I can't recall. The seller claims that there are only 4 GSI's left in the UK while Howmanyleft claims that there are 16 left. The DVLA isn't always accurate and certain cars are categorized inconsistently. For example, E54ELH is labeled as a "Prelude I" instead of a GSI. I personally think the number of GSI's left in the UK is between 20 and 30. The seller is in Edinburgh, Scotland and wants £15,000.

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For sale is my Honda prelude 2.0 GSI
not to be confused with the 1.8 models that are widely available

This is the rarest model of the 2nd gen preludes as there was a limited amount made with the 2.0 16v B20A engine before the 3rd gen was produced

78,000 miles with service history including plenty of honda receipts etc
in great condition
MOT untill 2022
4 owners
starts and drives with no knocks or bangs
interior is neat and clean
any inspection is welcome for serious buyers only
There are only 4 of these cars left on Uk roads.
 

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This is the first JDM 2nd-generation Prelude Si that I've seen for sale in Japan since 2018. It's being sold from a garage in Toyonaka by the name of Daiwa Automobile Maintenance. At the expense of sounding melodramatic, words honestly can't describe how beautiful this car is. The car only has 130,144 kilometers and I believe it's stock aside from the aftermarket wheels and window tint. If it wasn't for the fact that I already have a white Si and that this particular car is too rare/pristine to store outside of a garage, I would be on the phone with an importer right now. It is indisputably worth the asking price of 2.5 million yen (~23k USD) just from its rarity alone. I can reiterate this over and over again, but now is the time to buy one of these cars if you don't already own one. I've noticed multiple USDM Si's and EUDM GSIs sold in the 12-15k range during the past year. Their values are only going to increase as these cars were and still are used, beat on, modified, and thrown away to the point of near-extinction in most countries. The fact that this car is still in Japan after 35 years without being modified(beyond reversal), exported, or scrapped grants it a true survivor status. If anything, it needs to be preserved at the Honda Collection Hall in Motegi.

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価格 --250万円(税込)
年式 ----年
初年度登録 昭和61年
排気量 2000
車の内容 E-BA1 DOHC PGM-FI
走行距離 ----130150km
検査期限 現在一時抹消登録状態
ミッション AT

純正色にてオールペイント済み、綺麗です。

旧車ですので現状販売です。

車検、登録等相談ください。
Price --2.5 million yen (tax included)
Year: ----
First year registration 1986
Engine displacement 2000
Description of car: E-BA1 DOHC PGM-FI
Mileage ----130150km
Expiration date: Currently registered as temporarily cancelled
Transmission AT

All painted in stock colors, beautiful.

This is an old car and is sold as-is.

Please consult us for inspection and registration.

From what I can remember, someone had planned to scrap the car in 2016. Long story short, it was subsequently repaired and then sold for 1 million yen (~9-10k USD) that same year.
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Your research on this is amazing. I have only just seen it. I have 2 in the UK, Mk 2's. !985(87k miles) and 1987 (60kmiles)
I have driven a lot in France in the North, West and South West. I saw one Mk3 that I recall near Biarritz, but I don't look out for them as much as MK2's. I only saw one of them which was in a major parking lot in the Centre of Lille in Northern France. This was about 6 or so years back. The owner didn't drive it and knew the guy who operated the parking and was surprsingly allowed to keep it there. I put a note on it and got a response from his daughter. However I didn't buy it as too much hassle, going on. I saw it there a few years later, so perhaps it is still there! Its the parking called the Hotel L'Opera. Somewhere i do have a photo of it. Nice example.I dod wonder if they will ever be worth as much as they should be. Certainly have gone up but aren't cherished like Golfs, and even old Fords-though the Honda is a much better car.
I thought it would be great to produce a book on owners and their Preludes (Mk2). One page, image of the car with owner. Adjacent page some detail. I could produce it and sell at cost on the Blurb platform. (I have designed and sold books).If it interests you to do toget5her I would be up for it. Just PM me to discuss
 

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Your research on this is amazing. I have only just seen it. I have 2 in the UK, Mk 2's. !985(87k miles) and 1987 (60kmiles)
I have driven a lot in France in the North, West and South West. I saw one Mk3 that I recall near Biarritz, but I don't look out for them as much as MK2's. I only saw one of them which was in a major parking lot in the Centre of Lille in Northern France. This was about 6 or so years back. The owner didn't drive it and knew the guy who operated the parking and was surprsingly allowed to keep it there. I put a note on it and got a response from his daughter. However I didn't buy it as too much hassle, going on. I saw it there a few years later, so perhaps it is still there! Its the parking called the Hotel L'Opera. Somewhere i do have a photo of it. Nice example.I dod wonder if they will ever be worth as much as they should be. Certainly have gone up but aren't cherished like Golfs, and even old Fords-though the Honda is a much better car.
I thought it would be great to produce a book on owners and their Preludes (Mk2). One page, image of the car with owner. Adjacent page some detail. I could produce it and sell at cost on the Blurb platform. (I have designed and sold books).If it interests you to do toget5her I would be up for it. Just PM me to discuss
Thank you, I sent you a PM. I think the reason why these aren't seen in the same light as classic Fords or Volkswagens is because these sold much less on a proportional level as they were a somewhat of a niche car. Whereas everyone has a nostalgic memory of a Ford Escort or Volkswagen Golf either from owning one or knowing someone who did, these Preludes weren't as common and therefore are not as desirable on the current classic car market. Another factor is that the average lifespan for these cars was only around 15 years in most regions due to rust vulnerability. Although this certainly made the car rarer over time, this generation was always overshadowed by 3rd/4th/5th generation Preludes and the Integra, thus keeping desirability/resale value down until recently once people realized that very few are left.

I'm not sure if this is the parking lot you mentioned, it's still open as of September 2020. I'm unfortunately not able to see anything underground on Google Street View. The car is possibly still there as the decrease in tourism over the past year likely put less of a strain on the parking lot's capacity. I've considered importing 2nd-generation Preludes from Western Europe before, but between negotiating a sale and coordinating shipping in a foreign language along with the red tape/paperwork to have an imported car legally registered in the US, I've decided against it for the time being. South Africa is another option if you're looking to import cars. They're right-hand drive from the factory and most of the sellers there also speak English. The only downside is that shipping costs would be much higher than shipping from continental Europe. If the car in Lille is no longer available, there's usually a selection of French Preludes for sale on leboncoin if you're looking for another.

French complete cars for sale:
1984 EX
1985 EX
1985 EX
1987 EX
French partout cars for sale:
1986 EX
1986 2.0i16

Dual-carburated cars have a much higher survival rate than the fuel-injected cars in Europe. There are a few currently for sale in the UK also, but if you don't mind left-hand drive, there's also still surviving examples scattered elsewhere in Europe for sale.
 
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