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22mm Rear Sway Bar / Anti-roll Bar Group Buy #2








What does a sway bar (anti-roll bar) do? Basic explanation:
An anti-roll bar connects one side of the suspension to the other side, it is essentially a spring.
Imagine you are turning right, the left suspension compresses and the right suspension droops (causing the chassis to lean to the left, aka. body roll). With an anti-roll bar installed when the right suspension begins to droop the bar tries to pull the left suspension down at the same time, this reduces body roll. Or another way to look at it is that as one side of the suspension compresses the anti-roll bar causes the other side to compress as well.

The larger the diameter (stiffer) the anti-roll bar is the more "locked" each side of the suspension is to the other and the less body roll at that end of the car. On a front wheel drive car adding a stiffer rear bar will generally reduce understeer.

Here is how this 22mm bar compares to stock and Whiteline.
Bar torsional stiffness:
Stock 17mm: 91 (Lbs/In)
Whiteline 20mm: 175 (Lbs/In)
MustardCat 22mm: 268 (Lbs/In)​



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Estimated group buy pricing, shipping not included:
  • 5 bars = $380 each
  • 6 bars = $367 each
  • 7 bars = $357 each
  • 8 bars = $355 each
  • 9 bars = $352 each
  • 10 bars = $349 each
You cover the Paypal fees.​


Shipping price estimates to give you an idea of cost to different areas.
Shipping is from Washington State via USPS:​
  • To California 90210: $55 shipped with tracking and $450 insurance.
  • To Texas 73301: $64 shipped with tracking and $450 insurance.
  • To Florida 32116: $74 shipped with tracking and $450 insurance.
  • To Quebec, Canada H3R1K2: $110 shipped with $450 insurance.

Buyers outside of North America should use a forwarding service such as https://www.myus.com/ (This is just an example there are other companies that can be used, do your research.) This usually saves on shipping costs and provides insurance in case of loss or damage.

Local pick up in the North Seattle area is also possible.​




This sway bar/anti-roll bar kit will include:
  • 7/8" (22.2mm) 4130 Chromoly anti-roll bar with arms made of mild steel.
  • Energy Suspension 9.5158R/G greasable anti-roll bar bushings.
  • New chassis brackets to mount the bar to the car. Made of 1/8" and 3/16" mild steel.
  • 8 New JIS 10.9 spec bolts to mount the brackets to the chassis and the bar bushings to the brackets.
Additional options:​



Fitting info and disclaimer:
This bar does require trimming a small portion of the plastic fuel pipe splash guard as well as part of an exhaust bracket (if you are using the OE exhaust). I can't guarantee fit on any aftermarket exhaust because some places do crazy routing, however I can say it fits around my own 3" exhaust fine.

Some have asked about chassis tear though, like what can happen with Civics using thicker bars. All I can say about this is that I have not experienced or seen any sign of it happening on either of my Preludes that are running this anti-roll bar. I can't guarantee this for your car because every car is unique. If your car is rusted near the anti-roll bar mounts it might be possible for them to rip out, if this is the case I could make you some weld in reinforcement plates for this area.

Like all performance aftermarket parts this anti-roll bar is intended for off-road use only. The sole purpose of this anti-roll bar is to alter the way the car handles. You need to take proper care after installing it and not immediately try pushing the handling limits, the car will handle differently. If you use it on a street car and then drift off a mountain... well that is on you.



Payment schedule:
I'm breaking the total payment into 3 stages, which should be more manageable for people and allow continuous progress to be made (all prices are estimates):​
  • Stage 1: This payment will cover all the raw materials, bolts, and bushings, and allow me to fabricate the bars and mounts. (Should be between $100-150 depending on total buyers and options.)
  • Stage 2: This payment covers the cost of post-fabrication heat treatment for the bars. It also covers the cost of powder coating the bars and mounts. (Between $60-110 depending on total buyers.)
  • Stage 3: Payment for consumables, labor, misc, and shipping. (~$150-250, depending on previous costs, total buyers, and cost to ship to your location.)

I will order material once I receive all the stage 1 payments. After this point I can not offer any refunds.


We will need at least 5 buyers. This list is for serious buyers only. Please reply if you are in.

Group Buy Members:
1. stlschindler-------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #17 (Shipped)
2. Prototype--------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #1 (Shipped)
3. wjmj-------------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #6 (Shipped)
4. Colluder----------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #15 (Shipped)
5. HI_91lude--------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #10 (Shipped)
6. David Q----------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #7 (Shipped)
7. LudeAEM---------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #2 (Shipped)
8. JDM_89LUDER----------------Paid Stage 1 | Not Paid | Paid Stage 3
9. Unlimitedbacon---------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #9 (Shipped)
10. Ali Moussa (Facebook)-------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #8 (Shipped)
11. Andrew Lee (Facebook)------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 |
12. Sam Curcio (Facebook)------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #13 (Shipped)
13. luda8890--------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 #3 (Shipped)
14. Rick Rollert (Facebook)-------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #14 (Shipped)
15. Royce Johnson (Facebook)---Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 #4 (Shipped)
16. Joel Sanchez (Facebook)-----Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #16 (Shipped)
17. Lorenzo DiSante (Facebook)--Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 #11 (Shipped)
18. Rizwan Dar (Facebook)-------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #12 (Shipped)
19. Jeff Plowman (Facebook)-----Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 |
20. IvoGiev----------------------Paid Stage 1 | Paid Stage 2 | Paid Stage 3 + Ship #5 (Shipped)

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Additional:
Sway bar installation instructions: https://youtu.be/5huItJZKpnM



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Final price from the last group-buy came to $325 before shipping or extras (10 buyers). I've left the old estimates in this thread because this buy could take some time to fill and I want to stay on the conservative side of estimates for now.
 

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Mustard my friend!!!!!

Put me down for one sir!!

I have the whiteline but this looks mo betterer.

Let me know when you need some $$$$$$$$$
 

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I had sent you a PM from the other GB... Count me in on this one!
 

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I bought the swaybar awhile back and i have been jsing it for 3 days now. I got it with the upgraded endlinks and poly bushings where the endlinks and swaybar connect. I was already on coilovers and poly bushings throughout the entire carriage but once this bar was installed, i could feel the rear end stiffen up ALOT. It rolls way lesser than before when i was on the stock sway bar, The front end pokes into corners alot quicker and the car just stays almost flat during a long bend.

Truly a great piece of engineering especially the structural design compared tothe original and whiteline swaybar.
Luckily the whiteline bar was out of stock as mustardcat's bar is way stiffer and from my perspective, perfect for our 3g chassis. I have never looked forward to an approaching bend ahead for quite some time since i intalled this swaybar??
101% reccomended if you're in love with improving the handling of our already amazing 3g.

On a sidenote, maybe one day you could design some h-braces for the undercarriage! Haha
 

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If you're willing to post to the UK I'll take one please. Plus the uprated end links and SPF1531K polyurethane bushings.
I've added you to the list. Shipping cost is $122. However for some reason insurance for items shipped to the UK is capped at $200. If you want more coverage you should use a forwarding service that offers their own coverage.
 

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If you want more coverage you should use a forwarding service that offers their own coverage.
I've never had a problem using standard shipping from the States. However, I thought I would have a look at other shipping companies to get an idea of prices and insurance cover. But, the sheer number of operators is baffling, what companies have you used before? I remember you mentioned a company in one of your previous posts but I can't find it.
 

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I've never had a problem using standard shipping from the States. However, I thought I would have a look at other shipping companies to get an idea of prices and insurance cover. But, the sheer number of operators is baffling, what companies have you used before? I remember you mentioned a company in one of your previous posts but I can't find it.
I believe Nigeltay used https://www.myus.com/

The specs on the box are 20lbs. 48" x 8" x 8" or 9.1kg 122cm x 21cm x 21cm
 

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I picked up mine from the parcel service I used a couple hours ago and it's a work of art!
It'll be quite a while before I'm able to try it out on the car but I'm really looking forward to it.
 

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Bumpity bump bump. Come on fellas lets get a few more on the list so we can make this happen. Small price to pay for some awesomeness.
 

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It's an unknown, depends on when the GB fills up. We do have 5 at this point so if everyone agreed we could move forward with the current numbers. It would increase the cost per bar however, I don't know the exact number but it would probably come to around $350 base price.
 
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