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Old 08-26-2003, 06:02 PM   #1
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5th gear from accord...

ok im just trying to be sure, now i remember this was said before but i'm not positive which year. Is it the 3rd gen accords 5th gear that will fit in 91 si tranny? will any shit have to be modified or what? cuz i just dont like cruising on the freeway at 4000k goin 75. plus, 115 is the fastest i've gone before in my car and it really aint that fast, especially when my friends pass me up once im maxed out (i only go to 6000rpms though). and we only max out on this long ass open road that no one goes on, it aint on the freeway with other cars so dont tell me im stupid for goin that fast
someeone help plz?


oh yeah and i remember in my accord the fastest i got was 110 but i think thats cuz it didnt have any more power to go any faster. also, if the accords gear works then wont the old ludes work as well?
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That would be cool, I really would like a good low rev freeway cruising gear.
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Old 08-26-2003, 09:45 PM   #3
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Nope... sorry, you can't change to a different gear size without changing the cluster gear.. all forward gears are constantly meshed. You don't actually "shift gears". When you shift you are locking different gears onto the output shaft.

The 88-89 automatics are the last cruiser Preludes. For 90-91 the changed the automatic final drive ratio to closer match the 5 speed. My 88 Automatic is going about 97-100mph at 4,000 rpm. Of course this is more Accord like and performance suffers. Honda Preludes really need a 6th speed.

Gearing is not something discussed by front wheel drive tuners because there really is no options. Another reason why rear differential cars have such an advantage at the drag strip...they can change the rear end gear ratios to perfectly match engine tuning.
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[quote="dano"]Nope...Honda Preludes really need a 6th speed.


damn right they do, lets make it happen!!!
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also, i assume its the same deal with a 89 accords 3rd gear? I know its rediculous, but my car gets eaten by my friends BONE STOCK 89 accord lxi, 1.6 liter bullshit, i take him off the line and to about 70 but his car can go to 90 in 3rd gear!!!! i can take him after a little while when i hit about 120 or a little more i pass him again but shit, MY CAR IS BETTER THAN HIS, i want to take 3rd to 90!!! wtf... why can he do that, its not fair...
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Nope... sorry, you can't change to a different gear size without changing the cluster gear.. all forward gears are constantly meshed. You don't actually "shift gears". When you shift you are locking different gears onto the output shaft.

The 88-89 automatics are the last cruiser Preludes. For 90-91 the changed the automatic final drive ratio to closer match the 5 speed. My 88 Automatic is going about 97-100mph at 4,000 rpm. Of course this is more Accord like and performance suffers. Honda Preludes really need a 6th speed.

Gearing is not something discussed by front wheel drive tuners because there really is no options. Another reason why rear differential cars have such an advantage at the drag strip...they can change the rear end gear ratios to perfectly match engine tuning.
yea that is true with an automatic transmission...he wants to know about a manual trans.
I was told you could swap in 5th gear from an accord, but I dont know what year of accord....I would say go with one that is the same year as your lude, probobly the best place to start
also, a good idea would be to either A) get a tranny from a junkyard and work on that yourself, try to get the gear to swap in, then swap trannys and see if it works OR B) get the 2 trannys, take it to someone who knows what they are doing, and have them do the swap
whenever i can get the cash and swap my auto to a manual, I am gonna have some custom work done to the tranny...some gear changes and shit so I have better acceleration and hopefuly a better top end
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Old 08-27-2003, 01:28 AM   #7
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yes I think he was mentioning a manual not an auto because autos only have 4 gears well in our cars, as for cruzin lude, if you get taller gears that still wont give you an edge, i mean shorter quicker gears are better for drag, im assuming thats what you meant by racing.



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Old 08-27-2003, 01:39 AM   #8
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We definately need a 6th gear. That way we could mover 3rd, 4th, & 5th down some, a little shorter. then 6th could basically replace the stock 5th. That would accelerate to 80-90 pretty dang quick and maybe could take a half second off 1/4 times.
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You guys should take a look inside a tranny..

there are too shafts... gears on each one... you sellect gears buy locking them into the output shaft.... if you want to change your gears... the distance between the 2 shafts must remain the same... so really, you dont just add or swap out 1 gear... you're gonna have to modify a whole bunch of stuff... wouldnt be easy IMO

and really...whats wrong with cruising at 4-5000 rpms... are engines were designed to cruise at those rpms... and we probably consume less gas at 5000 then a z28 at 2500

its normal... your car wouldnt cruise at 100mph at 3000rpm... not enough torque to keep you up there.
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my dads 87 si cruises 100 at 4krpm...

manual too
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Old 08-27-2003, 04:38 AM   #11
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and really...whats wrong with cruising at 4-5000 rpms... are engines were designed to cruise at those rpms... and we probably consume less gas at 5000 then a z28 at 2500

its normal... your car wouldnt cruise at 100mph at 3000rpm... not enough torque to keep you up there.
im sorry but i disagree, it i cruise at lets say 4500 rpm's all the way to my gf's house, wich is about 25 miles away. i know i would use twice as much gas than if i was cruising and 3000. If i did, i would probably use almost a quarter tank. it sucks dick. i could have sworn someone said that an accord 5th gear would work though!
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Yep.. black89SI has got it right.. Most manual 5 speeds have an "overdrive" 5th speed. "Overdrive" has only 1 meaning !! The output shaft of the transmission is turning FASTER than the input shaft (engine speed) The car with the "taller gearing" will start to hit a brick wall at high speed without enough torque to push it faster. This is why many cars, Civic for example, can actually hit a higher speed in 4th than it can in 5th !! Ever wonder why many of the VTEC Preludes can actually top 140 MPH !! Faster than a 5 litre Mustang !! ( Oh drool drool ) Of course this fact never comes to light in the wonderful world of Drag Racing....How convenient for the pushers of outdated crap engines !!

All this shit aside...I'm still surprised that an Accord can beat your Pelude. If you took both cars brand new off the showroom floor, it wouldn't be a contest ! Your Prelude may need some help.
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lol, or the driver
black is right, i wasnt thinking that you have to keep the 2 shafts the same distance apart...it would be sweet to keep stock 1st gear, then lower all the rest and add 6th gear...wonder how much that kind of work would cost to get done? i mean, that is a complete custom trans, bell housing...damn that would be a lot of dough to spend but o how sweet it would be
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and really...whats wrong with cruising at 4-5000 rpms... are engines were designed to cruise at those rpms... and we probably consume less gas at 5000 then a z28 at 2500

its normal... your car wouldnt cruise at 100mph at 3000rpm... not enough torque to keep you up there.
im sorry but i disagree, it i cruise at lets say 4500 rpm's all the way to my gf's house, wich is about 25 miles away. i know i would use twice as much gas than if i was cruising and 3000. If i did, i would probably use almost a quarter tank. it sucks dick. i could have sworn someone said that an accord 5th gear would work though!
Thats because the secondary runners open up above 4000rpm. If you keep it at right below 4000 you will not use near as much gas.
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canadian 2nd gens can hit 140, 60 in second... aerodynamically limited though :@:@:@
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also, i assume its the same deal with a 89 accords 3rd gear? I know its rediculous, but my car gets eaten by my friends BONE STOCK 89 accord lxi, 1.6 liter bullshit, i take him off the line and to about 70 but his car can go to 90 in 3rd gear!!!! i can take him after a little while when i hit about 120 or a little more i pass him again but shit, MY CAR IS BETTER THAN HIS, i want to take 3rd to 90!!! wtf... why can he do that, its not fair...
You can't drive. Taller gears, in example 90mph in third as in that accord, acutally slow you down. The third gear ending at 85mph gives you stronger accelleration. Preludes gearing in fact is very good for fast accelleration. So, either your Prelude is the S model, or your Si is in very poor mechanical condition, or you simply can't drive.
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im sorry but i disagree, it i cruise at lets say 4500 rpm's all the way to my gf's house, wich is about 25 miles away. i know i would use twice as much gas than if i was cruising and 3000. If i did, i would probably use almost a quarter tank. it sucks dick. i could have sworn someone said that an accord 5th gear would work though![/quote]


twice as much fuel? whoa your car is f*&ked man, thats a huge difference in fuel consumption. I always speed on the interstate, and as far as burning alot of fuel, well lets just say from driving my dads 2003 silverado to my lude, i burn alot less fuel then his truck. Just as a pointer less fuel you burn less HP you have, so if you want to conserve your fuel by a Civic Hybrid, and get on withit



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140 MPH ?? That's amazing. I said the LAST cruiser Prelude was the 88 automatics. When the Twin cam engines came out ( 88 for U.S. ) Honda started going to "shorter" gearing ( higher numerically ) to take advantage of the extra capabilities of this engine.
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yeah my car uses a shitload of gas. we'll see how it is when i get the b20.
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Old 12-16-2004, 09:33 AM   #21
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Tranny swaps

For those of us interested in a quieter, smoother, freeway cruiser, is it feasible to swap out the entire transmission of a Prelude with that of like-year Accord? Are the trannies model specific?

I'm sure I'd miss the acceleration, but I spend most of my time driving at a constant speed. I also wouldn't expect a huge mileage boost, but low-to-mid 30s on the freeway seems reasonable, considering the weight and aerodynamics. Quieter is always nice. Less drivetrain wear?

Anyone tried this?
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Isnt there a wat we could modify our final gear ratio by moddin our ring and pinion? Im not too sure whot goes into that but couldnt moding the ring and pinion help out. I know that alot of rx7 drivers and some ae86 drivers get after market ring and pinions to chane the geraing and allowing for quicker acceleration but lower top end. So if some one wanted a slow acceleration but a higher top end couldnt that be worked out through the ring and pinion. Honestly id rather have the faster acceleration so it would keep pulling harder through the gears, that would be splendid for autocross.
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I'm pretty new to Hondas, I was mainly a VW Scirocco man, BUT, Yes, you can change out the gears in the diff most of the time to give you taller gearing. (At least i know you can get the parts for a VW) It will increase the 'length' of all the gears and your top speed will still be torque limited. The best way would to pull the 5th. gears (Both) off your tranny and A: find ones that will go into thier place but with a diff tooth count, or B: have some custom made for you.
I would LOVE to know which tranny you could salvage taller gears out of, i haven't been past 100 in a few years and don't miss it, but i Hate the high RPMs at freeway speed. and Yes, cutting your RPMs in half will save you a lot of gas.
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cutting your RPMs in half will save you a lot of gas.
Not if you don't have the power to turn it. If you cut the rpms to far you will be out of the powerband and it will take more gas just to get it going period. If you hit a hill you will be flooring it and down shifting and all that jazz. if you want a highway cruiser go buy an Accord.
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The best 3rd gen manual transmission for highway cruising and gas mileage has to be the 88. I've done 90mph at redline in 3rd gear and was doing 110 at around 5500rpms in 4th before I had to back off. I'd be doing about 3200 I believe at 80mph in 5th.
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