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Old 06-13-2013, 10:39 PM   #1
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Cool what 4th gen prelude is best/bettr for H22a

So im leaving san diego to go to alaska in 10 days and work the summer. Im doing it to come home and get my first prelude.(nothing more than $3k?ish)I've been doing weeks of research and i know i want an H22a motor, but im not sure what model lude(--year, if it matters. Sticking with 4th gen 93-96 STICK SHIFT) to get. Do i get a lude with an H22a in it with alot of miles or one with a diff one @lower $$$$ and swap? if i swap h22a to a model with lower hp will it be the same as an original H22a V-tec lude as far as porformence? Any help would be appreciated.


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Old 06-14-2013, 07:13 AM   #2
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_P...2.80.931996.29

HP for all engine options are listed above.

For USDM 4G Preludes, the only differences between the S and the VTEC are as follows.

S front Rotors are 10.3" diameter & VTEC front rotors are 11.1"diameter.

VTEC front calipers are larger than Si front calipers as VTEC pads are larger than Si pads.

Master cylinder is the same for both Si & VTEC models (but is smaller on 4th gen S models). Also, the rear discs, calipers, & pads are the same size on S, Si, & VTEC models.

Suspension, Gearboxes etc. are all the same.

Naturally the H22a VTEC motor gives more HP than the non-vtec H23a or F22a.

Where I live the 4G VTEC Preludes have 4WS, in the US they don't (2WS).

If I was living in the US, I'd find a nice clean 4WS Si (which can easily be done for 3G) with a h23a1. If the motor is in reasonable shape, then converting it to VTEC (with a H22head) while doing some head work & new pistons etc. is a good option.

If you want to change out the h23 an install a VTEC, look at getting a h22a4-8 from a non-ATTS 5G Prelude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_P...2.80.932001.29

This would involve some re-wiring for VTEC & an OBD1 p13 VTEC ECU, 5Gs are OBD2 - although apparently some USDM 4G Preludes are OBD2 as well.

https://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=367162

Of course you could use a H22A 1-3 from a 4G if you wanted to, but I found it easier to get a 5G VTEC (H22A 4-8 ) in good shape with low miles than it was to find a decent 4G H22a VTEC.

The only 4Gs which came with a m2b4 LSD 5-Speed Manual were the VTECs released in Japan (Si VTEC). But they're RHD while US is LHD.

Hope that helps you decide.

Aside from not being 4WS, finding a US 4G VTEC in decent shape for $3K is asking a bit much imo.

H23s give decent performance. In case you don't know, VTEC only operates from about 4500RPM onwards, so if you plan to use a 4G as a daily driver then you won't miss it sitting in traffic.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:11 PM   #3
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thanks for all the info. I will be looking at those links tonight and take all the info to mind. And when you say convert it to vtec with the head would it still hit vtec or is the conversion for looks? I dont wanna fake it lol. Thanks

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_P...2.80.931996.29

HP for all engine options are listed above.

For USDM 4G Preludes, the only differences between the S and the VTEC are as follows.

S front Rotors are 10.3" diameter & VTEC front rotors are 11.1"diameter.

VTEC front calipers are larger than Si front calipers as VTEC pads are larger than Si pads.

Master cylinder is the same for both Si & VTEC models (but is smaller on 4th gen S models). Also, the rear discs, calipers, & pads are the same size on S, Si, & VTEC models.

Suspension, Gearboxes etc. are all the same.

Naturally the H22a VTEC motor gives more HP than the non-vtec H23a or F22a.

Where I live the 4G VTEC Preludes have 4WS, in the US they don't (2WS).

If I was living in the US, I'd find a nice clean 4WS Si (which can easily be done for 3G) with a h23a1. If the motor is in reasonable shape, then converting it to VTEC (with a H22head) while doing some head work & new pistons etc. is a good option.

If you want to change out the h23 an install a VTEC, look at getting a h22a4-8 from a non-ATTS 5G Prelude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_P...2.80.932001.29

This would involve some re-wiring for VTEC & an OBD1 p13 VTEC ECU, 5Gs are OBD2 - although apparently some USDM 4G Preludes are OBD2 as well.

https://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=367162

Of course you could use a H22A 1-3 from a 4G if you wanted to, but I found it easier to get a 5G VTEC (H22A 4-8 ) in good shape with low miles than it was to find a decent 4G H22a VTEC.

The only 4Gs which came with a m2b4 LSD 5-Speed Manual were the VTECs released in Japan (Si VTEC). But they're RHD while US is LHD.

Hope that helps you decide.

Aside from not being 4WS, finding a US 4G VTEC in decent shape for $3K is asking a bit much imo.

H23s give decent performance. In case you don't know, VTEC only operates from about 4500RPM onwards, so if you plan to use a 4G as a daily driver then you won't miss it sitting in traffic.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:38 AM   #4
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thanks for all the info. I will be looking at those links tonight and take all the info to mind. And when you say convert it to vtec with the head would it still hit vtec or is the conversion for looks? I dont wanna fake it lol. Thanks

As you can see from the video, vtec can't be faked.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:22 AM   #5
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Now i get the meaning! This alot more info then i thought id get back thanks alot! Still debating the route to go. Not many 4ws i can find but ill be looking until Aug-Sept.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc800hkqY2M

As you can see from the video, vtec can't be faked.
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