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Old 01-11-2010, 10:43 PM   #1
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Black Majik Steering-H22 Swap....long story!

UPDATE 3/1/13: Its been a long time coming for this car, but as of March 1, 2013, The car is running, titled and plated. Many more updates to come!!!

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Please chime in with remarks and suggestions.

I thought about giving up on this car many times, but im not going to. I want to finish this thing and have a dream car. There is much more work to be done, but im going to do it.

Now that im going to be on sequestration for one day a week, Im going to dedicate those days to working on this car.

So, to make a long story short, i bought an 88 4ws lude back in august of 07 with either the intention of turbo'ing it or going H22 route. Well, i chose the later due to the fact i found the perfect doner car-an H22 swapped 92 lude. here are the pics of the doner car:







after acquiring this car, i found out from a friend that it once belonged to a member of the local honda club. So, when he found out that i had the car, he wanted it back. Well, i told him-it will be without the motor" So, with the help of a good friend who has done alot of motor swaps, we made a deal-i get the H22, he gets the car as a roller and my buddy will do the swap for me (i just finished a masters degree and didnt have time to work on it myself). Deal was set!

So, during the process of the swap, alot of issues came up with the car and the friend doing the swap having major health issues (which i will talk about in a minute). He got about 80% of the job done, but then found out he has to have open heart surgery. I just moved out to New Mexico and i had the intention of flying back to St Louis and driving the car back once it was done, but no dice. So, with that said, i told my buddy i would have the car hauled out here. So, here is how it sits today in my garage and how it came in on the hauler:












Im just really glad she is back and im really wanting to get her running. i have a bunch of friends here that are going to help me with finishing it. here is a list of what still needs to be done

Alt belt-since i deleted the AC, this will have to be changed (shorter belt)

PS Belt-its going to be a tight fit in there but if i use an H23 belt, i think it will work.

PS hoses-again, i have to do some tinkering with them to see where they are going to go.

TPS and VSS sensors-on the harness they are disconnected so i need to figure out some things with those

Dizzy-the motor has an external coil but the harness was made for an internal coil. Looks like i have to get an internal coil

ECU and jumper harness-need to install

Fuel line-looks like i need to modify it a bit

Shifter cables-the bracket on the tranny doesnt work right with the cables-any suggestions?

Radiator hoses-i remember Team123 said that the upper hose works, but it doesnt seem to line up right. I will need to make a custom hose for the lower.

Anything else you guys see from the pics?
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:46 PM   #2
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Badass, but what is the list that needs to be done?
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updated with list of things to finish on the car
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Just purchase the lower radiator hose for the H22 it will work. I am using the stock lower radiator hose for the H23.
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Just purchase the lower radiator hose for the H22 it will work. I am using the stock lower radiator hose for the H23.

Thanks Sean-see anything else on my list that is incorrect? or anything else i forgot?
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looks good! its come a long way since when i saw it at IA
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looks good! its come a long way since when i saw it at IA
Thanks man-any progress on your ride?

With any luck, i will have this thing in action at IA this year
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man if only you where closer i would come out to help you get this knocked out and you wouldn't have to miss the cupcake meet! working on getting a couple ludes up and running before the meet! friends 98 lude (shattered ringlands) i got the motor reassembled but waiting for act clutch to come in. a friends 99 lude auto (4th slips to no where) but manual swap parts wont come in on time. another guy has a 4th gen with a h22 swap with wiring issues!
im just crossing my fingers that nothing major goes wrong with mine :/
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hey man, click on my cardomain link and you can see a few things that I had done, that may or may not help you out.

The fuel line, i just bent it slightly and it worked fine.

you'll have to lower the coil, if you keep the external one, because it'll rub a little on the hood.

as for the shifter cables...which are u using? You have to use the right combo:
5th gen cables and shifter -or- 4th gen cables and shifter -or- accord shifter and cables...You can not use the 3rd gen's shifter and cables...Hope that helps
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hey man, click on my cardomain link and you can see a few things that I had done, that may or may not help you out.

The fuel line, i just bent it slightly and it worked fine.

you'll have to lower the coil, if you keep the external one, because it'll rub a little on the hood.

as for the shifter cables...which are u using? You have to use the right combo:
5th gen cables and shifter -or- 4th gen cables and shifter -or- accord shifter and cables...You can not use the 3rd gen's shifter and cables...Hope that helps
I am using the 4g prelude cables and a CB Accord shifter. I know its an odd combo, but from what Team123 says, it can work. However, the shifter cables are not secure since there is no bracket.

Also, since this is an 88, the electronic VSS is removed so i need a bracket to keep the cable in the transmission (1funryd got any yet?)
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I am using the 4g prelude cables and a CB Accord shifter. I know its an odd combo, but from what Team123 says, it can work. However, the shifter cables are not secure since there is no bracket.

Also, since this is an 88, the electronic VSS is removed so i need a bracket to keep the cable in the transmission (1funryd got any yet?)
No you must use your stock VSS for the 88 and keep the clip that holds the cable inplace or else that cable will come out.
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So, i have a few questions about the rest of this process-alot of the write-ups do not have this information:


Alt belt-since i deleted the AC, what is the part number for the shorter belt that i need to use?

PS Belt-its going to be a tight fit in there but if i use an H23 belt, i think it will work-does anybody know the part number for the H23 belt? is anybody using something else?


PS hoses-again, i have to do some tinkering with them to see where they are going to go-anybody have a remedy for this? custom bracket?

Dizzy-what are you guys running? I have an external coil on the motor, but the harness is made for an internal. However, i have been told i can change this and run an MSD-type. true?



Fuel line-looks like i need to modify it a bit-what is everybody doing for this? just bending the B20 one?

Shifter cables-the bracket on the tranny doesnt work right with the cables-any suggestions? What is the work-around for this? I tried the H22 and H23 backets and they dont seem to work. Is this because im using an Accord shifter with 4g lude cables?


Radiator hoses-what are you guys using for the upper? I hear that the 5gen lower house works perfect?


I need some pointers
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I will did through my stuff this week end, but the best way to get your belt size is too take a think string or twine, and use it as a template to wrap around the crank pulley and around the powersteering pulley and tie it off, make sure that you give the string some slack to compensate for the tension when the time comes to tighten the belt down.

Do this for both and take that string to your nearest belt shop and they can match it for you, just let them know how many rib belt you are going to use.

Thats all there is to that. I do have the belt stock numbers but there in my closet kinda of buried, so it will have to wait to the weekend.

As for shiftlinkage, you need to use the same linkage with the same shifter, they differ slightly and can cause the issues you are coming across.

As for the fuel line from the fuel filter, you need to bend it a littel to get it to fit right.

I used my OEM upper Radiator hose and just cut it to fit, but I used the H23 lower radiator hose and it fits perfect.

The rest I will leave for the experts on the Distributor and internal coil stuff.
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I dont have the origonal clip for the VSS, unless its in the parts box that the guy gave me when he did the swap. The cable is just put into the H22 tranny with no clip.

I will work on the belt issue this weekend-i think somebody said an H23 belt would work for the PS?

I will need to get that ALT belt definately measured, unless somebody else knows the dimensions?

Well, looks like i will have to hunt for a 4g prelude shifter then.....ugh!

I tried to cut the OEM hose to work, but no dice-did i do something wrong? I hear any H22 lower hose works for the swap.
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Oh wait until you drive this lude, you will not regret the long wait it has taken you to get it done.

I promise!!!
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Cut, painted (with high temp paint) and put on my intake. looks decent, probably cut a bit too much off the IM end of it. sits a bit crooked, but i will make a better intake sometime later.

This weekend:

Wire loom the dizzy plug wires
mess/mock up PS reservoir
source a good place to weld up an exhaust


Long term:
VAFC or chipped ECU
some new wheels ( going old skool for this one!)
UCA bushings (I have some new ones never used)
gasket kit
Ksport coil overs
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Im going to whore my own thread.....


Now that this car is running, it has really re-fired my passion for this car and 3rd gen preludes. I cant stop thinking about the future of this car and where i want it to go. Here is my list, both short and long terms:


Short:
-Chipped and tuned P28 ECU( so i can have mad VTAK yo!!!!!)
-Exhaust (custom welded most likely. I have a muffler and test pipe already)
-Oil pressure and water temp gauges
-replace 2 tires on the steelies (or just run my mint SI's for a while)
-new or repaint my valve cover
-UCA bushings (just need to install the ones i have)
-speedo cable issue (i think i need a new lower portion as well as both B20 and H22 VSS)
-tinker with the power steering lines/reservoir as well as replace all the hoses to the system-all are brittle as fuck!
-buy a new jack!!!!

Long term:

Enkei 92 wheels in gold
K-sport or Function & form coilovers
New intake

Im all in on this thing. Im not backing out now! Love this car!
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did the following today to my car?

*replaced the upper radiator hose-was using the B20 one, but it was old and dry. cheap fix with a 5th gen-just had to cut a little off.

*Loomed my dizzy wires under the hood

*Velcro'd the ECU to the mounting plate on the floorboard, since the P13 holes dont match up with the stock ECU

*gave it another wash and partial wax-looks pretty damn good for almost 25 yrs old!

drove it around the block actually-got through 3rd gear, but it is loud as FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKK!!!!!! im taking it to the exhaust place on thursday.

I forgot to cap off my PS lines at the cooler and near the shock tower. I had old ps fluid all over my alternator. had to clean up my driveway as well. opps.... I have to fab up some hoses so i can run the PS again.

more updates SOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!

Epic pic post will be next weekend (of both my 3g's)
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did the following today to my car?

*replaced the upper radiator hose-was using the B20 one, but it was old and dry. cheap fix with a 5th gen-just had to cut a little off.

*Loomed my dizzy wires under the hood

*Velcro'd the ECU to the mounting plate on the floorboard, since the P13 holes dont match up with the stock ECU

*gave it another wash and partial wax-looks pretty damn good for almost 25 yrs old!

drove it around the block actually-got through 3rd gear, but it is loud as FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKK!!!!!! im taking it to the exhaust place on thursday.

I forgot to cap off my PS lines at the cooler and near the shock tower. I had old ps fluid all over my alternator. had to clean up my driveway as well. opps.... I have to fab up some hoses so i can run the PS again.

more updates SOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!

Epic pic post will be next weekend (of both my 3g's)
You just wait until you get an exhaust on their, and then open her up, its going to be fun!!!!
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:36 PM   #23
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exhaust and titling getting done tomorrow!!! then she is on the streets!

Also purchased a chipped/tuned P28 ECU.

I cant WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:13 PM   #24
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I had the car towed to the exhaust place today. Im also going to have the brake master cylander and booster replaced-leaking like crazy!

probably also having the oil pan gasket replaced, since the header is coming off for repainting.

I will be without the car for about 2 weeks-progress to be posted soon!
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:25 PM   #25
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Nice build man! Are you still looking for the h22 speedo stuff? If so PM me what you need I have a complete parts car that might have what you need.
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