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Old 04-16-2012, 08:44 PM   #101
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it was an 80's 911 that came with a large(ish) turbo on it. boost came on late and very strong, usually after the apex of a turn, causing the porche to slide out. which is exactly where porches were the strongest, exiting a turn.

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Never been in a turbo 911, back when I was shopping for a 944 and hung around my buddies with their 944's that's when I learned what turbo lag really was. It's a love hate thing for me. All in all, it's a great feeling. I love porsches.
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Never been in a turbo 911, back when I was shopping for a 944 and hung around my buddies with their 944's that's when I learned what turbo lag really was. It's a love hate thing for me. All in all, it's a great feeling. I love porsches.
My dad had a 944 (he insists it was a 924 but he's wrong) when I was younger. All I remember really about it was it was red, had a cool looking gas cap, cleaning the spoiler drains with a coathanger every so often, and the only thing that really mattered was that it said porsche.

I wish he would have kept it, unfortunately he powered around a corner with my mom in the car and within the next week it was gone forever. I think he's still upset she made him get rid of it.
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I am sorry but I just have to end this now.

doing the K swap is just a waste of time and money.

And let me be clear, no one on this forum will really pay what it takes to do a K swap,

And now some people want a K swap which is taller and harder to fit into our chassis and that is with cutting and welding somewhere.

K swap is not realistic nor feasable, .

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I'm not really sure you needed to make that statement Sean lol
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:41 AM   #105
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Never been in a turbo 911, back when I was shopping for a 944 and hung around my buddies with their 944's that's when I learned what turbo lag really was. It's a love hate thing for me. All in all, it's a great feeling. I love porsches.

Problem being that there are so many 911 variations it's almost impossible to keep track of them all. Even the later ones were 911 based. I've driven quite a few and still can't remember the exact model number.

Oddly my bosses own 944 was probably the worst one for suffering turbot lag and that was stock. Some of the track prepped 911s were far better behaved. Go figure.
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love where this thread went very cool i really got a whole lot of nothing going here... but yea im just gonna h22 i was thinking blue top 97+ prelude but well see what i can afford still trying to buy a fucking 3rd gen to put it in haha got fresh rims and tires, ksports, wheel spacers,some drilled and slotted rotors, low dust pads. just need poly bushing and some strut bars also i want that little bar that goes across the back windows porlly gonna save for brakes i want the wilwood frnt and rear for looks till i can afford the turbo but thats on next summers list of things i found a super clean lude tho if all ends well ill post pics in this thread after i buy it..... its fuking $3600.... im trying to get him to bring it down its red 4ws and still perfect original paint as well as original owner he has the purchase recipt from 1992 and unmolested only problem is if i spend 3600 i wont b able to afford a swap after the poly bushing purchase. but its to clean to just let go... is this face embarresed or making a bowel movement idk haha
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Driving a sirocco, which is basically a fast delorean, I have to let you know that the flux capacitor was not what allowed the garbage run, it supplied the necessary 1.21 Gw of electricity required for time travel. What you are thinking of is the Mr. fusion.
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Seems this thread wont die. On a related note here is an old post I made in another K swap thread:

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Ok I made a basic cad drawing of a K20 and 3G bay, side view. Here is each of them labeled:




Here I've set it in the bay for hood clearance. Remember the hood dips in the middle so I can't have it all the way up, it would probably have to be mounted slightly lower in reality. The filter will probably interfere with the rear subframe. The oil pan will hang lower than the crossmember by at least 2.25":




Here it is mouted for similar ground clearance as the B20a, custom hood territory. Filter will probably still hit the rear subframe:




Here I've tilted it back another 10 degrees:

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make one for the 2G lude too
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the middle picture probably isnt too far off from how it sits in an ef civic. Filter relocation, radiator who knows where that goes, subframe smashing to the max, meh it could work if a guy really wanted to
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Yerp, oil filter relocate is easy, use ITBs instead of that big intake manifold, dry sump, bespoke exhaust manifold/header.
As long as the driveshafts can be lined up the rest might work.... obviously a bonnet bulge would be needed but that could be done.

Still don't think it'll happen though... if I win the lottery I will do it just for the hell of it.....

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Torque doesn't matter? All else being equal a 200HP car that revs to 8k with 120lb-ft of torque will always lose to a 200HP car that revs to 8k with 180lb/ft of torque.

88SE races on enough tracks to tell you that there is no way that you can be high enough in the powerband at all times that torque doesn't matter. And if you were you'd be shifting so much it would negate the affects.

Even for a road race car a broad powerband is desired. What "Torque doesn't matter guy" is saying is hogwash. The car with more torque will also get to higher revs more quickly than the one with less. Sigh... Torque doesn't matter, if that's the case we wouldn't be able to keep up with more powerful cars. Torque doesn't matter, really?

And there's also the weight issue. With more weight, you need more torque. That's why many heavier cars have v6's, or v8's. Usually get the "We don't need torque" argument from the civic guys.
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88SE races on enough tracks to tell you that there is no way that you can be high enough in the powerband at all times that torque doesn't matter. And if you were you'd be shifting so much it would negate the affects.
I'll add a caveat to that comment...
I am a firm believer that torque isn't as important with one proviso..
You have the perfect gearing for every occasion.

I used to run/race two strokes so in that case torque was irrelevant, it was what you did with it that was important.

Now runnig nmy car I can be as quick as much more powerful cars because I have a very nice torque/power curve and can use it.

The cars I race are highly strung ITRs where I have to alter gearing to make best use of that high revving nature.


Torque does matter as in our world we can't choose a different set of gears for each situation.
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Exactly. I try to explain that to people all the time. Had a long discussion with a guy my freshman year in college because he learned in an automotive class about gearing. He was telling people that they should consider changing the gearing before they spend money on other mods. Had to explain that unless you were done changing the amount of power the car has changing the gearing would be counter productive because a significant increase in power or torque would make those ultra short gears useless. (Can't believe that was almost 6 years ago....)
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therefore flux capacitor runs on garbage.

I dont know, I mean ... in that case I could say I run on kitty farts and trees.


Also, I'm down for the k20 swap ... Cant we just cut down the valve covers? I mean, last time i had one off I thought there was SOME space under there you could get away with. When I get the money, maybe I will try this out. It's just gonna be JDM AS FUCK.
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Or just cut a hole in the hood hahaha. That's what all the civics with v6 do. Or go river hood and people will think your slow. But in reallity your not hahah
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haha 911, cars that run on trash, delorians, v6s i feel like after tuesday even the calander says WTF
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